Why Does My Child Get Hyper at Night? How to Handle Bedtime Zoomies with Emma Wilking Ghelber

If you’ve ever found yourself googling, “why does my child get hyper at night” while your kids are bouncing off the walls and you’re desperately trying to get them into bed, this post is for you.

You’re not alone if you’ve ever felt like you’re managing a mini rave when it’s supposed to be wind-down time. Those wild bursts of energy, often called bedtime zoomies,” can make even the most organized bedtime routine for kids feel like a marathon.

In my latest episode of the Educated Parent podcast, I sat down with pediatric occupational therapist Emma Wilking Ghelber to figure out what’s really behind this phenomenon and, more importantly, what we can do about it. Emma’s insights were so practical and reassuring, I couldn’t wait to share them with you here.

Why Does My Child Get Hyper at Night?

First, let’s answer the million-dollar question: why does my child get hyper at night? It turns out, it’s not just that they’re trying to stall bedtime. There’s actually a physiological reason for this behavior.

Kids often get hyper before bed because their nervous systems are still in high gear from the day. They might not yet have the ability to self-regulate or recognize when they need to wind down. Instead, their bodies push them into a sort of overdrive – what we call “bedtime zoomies.” It’s their nervous system’s way of processing all the sensory input they’ve absorbed throughout the day.

Emma explained that kids naturally seek out movement, deep pressure, and sensory input to help their bodies feel grounded and calm. If they haven’t had enough of this during the day, it can come out as wild, chaotic energy at night. This is why you might see your kids leaping off furniture or wrestling with each other right when you’re hoping for some calm.

Understanding Bedtime Zoomies

So, what exactly are bedtime zoomies? Think of it as your child’s nervous system saying, “Hey, I need to reset before I can calm down.” This can look like jumping on the couch, sprinting laps around the living room, or suddenly deciding to play an intense game of hide-and-seek when you’ve just brushed their teeth.

These bedtime zoomies often peak right before bed because kids are still learning how to self-regulate. They might genuinely be trying to wind themselves down but lack the ability to do it in a more organized, productive way. 

That’s where we as parents come in.

Calming Activities for Kids Before Bed

The good news? You can work with your child’s natural impulses rather than fighting them. Emma shared some amazing calming activities for kids before bed that help channel all that excess energy in a way that actually settles their nervous system. 

Here are a few of my favorites:

  1. Log rolling across the floor – This might sound silly, but having your kids lie on the floor like a pencil and roll back and forth can provide full-body pressure, which helps calm their nervous system. It’s a great way to get their bodies moving in a controlled way.

  2. Heavy work – Emma recommends encouraging your kids to carry, push, or pull heavy objects, like moving couch cushions or piling up pillows for a fort. This kind of muscle work gives their bodies the deep pressure they crave and can help transition them into a calmer state.

  3. Animal walks – Think bear crawls, crab walks, or frog hops. These movements are fantastic for engaging your child’s core muscles and giving their bodies the input they need to regulate. Plus, they’re fun and can be a great thing to add into your bedtime routine for kids to help them transition from playtime to bedtime without it feeling like a hard stop.

Creating a Better Bedtime Routine for Kids

Of course, these calming activities for kids before bed are just one part of the puzzle. A well-structured bedtime routine for kids can also make a world of difference. This doesn’t have to be a rigid, hour-long affair. Even a few small changes, like dimming the lights, using calm voices, and incorporating deep pressure activities, can help your kids settle faster.

Emma and I also talked about the power of predictability. Kids thrive on knowing what’s coming next, so creating a consistent bedtime routine for kids can help their bodies and brains prepare for sleep. Whether it’s a bath, a bedtime story, or a little bit of snuggle time, the key is to keep it calm, consistent, and comforting.

Ready to Ditch the Bedtime Struggles?

If you’re tired of feeling like bedtime is a battle you’re always losing, give these strategies a try. Understanding “why does my child get hyper at night?” and addressing bedtime zoomies with calming activities for kids before bed can make a huge difference in your evenings – and your sanity.

For even more insights from Emma and a practical bedtime routine for kids you can use tonight, make sure to check out the full episode of the Educated Parent podcast

I promise it’ll help you feel more confident and less frustrated as you guide your kids through this tricky part of the day.

Listen now and take back your evenings.


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  • [00:00:00] Leah Clionsky: Welcome to the Educated Parent Podcast. I am your host, Dr. Leah Clionsky, and I am so excited about today's episode. I realized I got so excited that I even teased it in the first episode. And the reason I'm so excited is that I wanna answer a question that every single parent with young kids asks me and that I actually have for myself all the time.

    [00:00:23] Leah Clionsky: And here's the problem. We are all running into. Imagine it is nighttime. You've had dinner, you are exhausted, and you want your kids to go to bed, and they are jumping off the walls. I wanna lie on the couch. They wanna jump off the couch. They have the zoomies. What do we do about this? So I have brought on an amazing guest who is going to talk to us about why our kids are doing this and what to do about it.

    [00:00:50] Leah Clionsky: You are listening to Educated Parent the Parenting Podcast, where I teach you realistic expert parenting hacks to solve your everyday [00:01:00] parenting problems. So that you can reduce your stress, build your confidence as a parent, and raise thriving children. My name is Dr. Leah Clionsky and I'm a licensed clinical psychologist, owner of Thriving Child Center and PCIT Experts, child Psychology Practices.

    [00:01:17] Leah Clionsky: And a real life parent of two young children, I am the same as you. I am invested in being the best parent possible and raising thriving children. I also get overwhelmed. I make mistakes and I forget what works. I do have three unique parenting advantages that you may not have. A PhD in child clinical psychology, over 15 years of clinical experience working with families and a network of other experts that I can text for parenting advice whenever I'm lost.

    [00:01:46] Leah Clionsky: I'm here to bring my expertise and my expert network to you so that we can solve your everyday parenting dilemmas together. I am so glad you're here. So I wanna welcome Emma Wilking Ghelber to the episode. She's a pediatric occupational therapist for over a decade and a mom for three years. She is co-founder of Foundation's Pediatric Therapy in Houston, Texas, where she and her team provide OT speech, physical therapy, and feeding therapy services.

    [00:02:17] Leah Clionsky: Emma believes strongly in the power of relationships and ensuring foundational and developmentally appropriate skills are addressed first when working, um, playing with children and their families. So welcome, Emma. I'm just so excited that you're here.

    [00:02:33] Emma Wilking Ghelber: Thank you so much, Leah. I'm so excited to be here and I'm so excited that you're doing this podcast as a whole and excited to be listening to it ongoing.

    [00:02:41] Leah Clionsky: Yay. It's awesome that you're here and we get to talk about OT and parenting.

    [00:02:46] Emma Wilking Ghelber: Yes. And nighttime zoomies.

    [00:02:48] Leah Clionsky: And nighttime zoomies, because this is an issue,

    [00:02:51] Emma Wilking Ghelber: right? It is. It's a big one. Well, I'll start first by explaining a little bit about what OT is, and then specifically pediatric [00:03:00] ot, because very few people actually know.

    [00:03:02] Emma Wilking Ghelber: Yeah. Occupational therapists are supporting people and engaging, not necessarily in. Occupations that we think of purely as work, but in everyday meaningful activities. And for adults that might be getting back to work after an injury. But for kids, their primary occupations in the day-to-day are play, learning, socializing, eating.

    [00:03:30] Emma Wilking Ghelber: Getting themselves or helping get themselves dressed. And then one of my favorite occupations and primary occupations, an important one for all of us sleeping, which is what we are wanting to get our kids to do. One of my specialties as an OT is looking at our sensory processing systems and how those impact.

    [00:03:52] Emma Wilking Ghelber: Our ability to engage in everyday activities. We learn about our sensory systems in school and we learn [00:04:00] about those five of visual, auditory, taste, smell, and tactile. We have three others, so there's a total of eight. Two that are movement systems and give us information about where our body is in space and so that we feel good and grounded.

    [00:04:16] Emma Wilking Ghelber: And then we also have our interceptive sense, which. Helps us with regulating breathing and tells us whether we're hungry, thirsty, need to go to the bathroom. All of these sensory systems work together to help us process information and function and what is becoming an increasingly sensory filled world.

    [00:04:37] Emma Wilking Ghelber: And when one is out of whack, it can throw the whole system out of whack and can throw our bodies into fight or flight. And what does it look like for kids? Those are the meltdowns. Those are the tantrums, the crying, the running away from you, laughing hysterically when there's nothing funny about what's going on.

    [00:04:55] Leah Clionsky: Oh, that's my least favorite one.

    [00:04:58] Emma Wilking Ghelber: It's awful. [00:05:00] I know that. It's literally a nervous system response, and when my son does it, I lose it. Yeah, it's like my trigger.

    [00:05:09] Leah Clionsky: So Emma, it sounds like what you're saying is that understanding how to regulate your sensory system is extremely important for everybody, but especially for children, everybody.

    [00:05:20] Leah Clionsky: And part of why they do annoying stuff.

    [00:05:22] Emma Wilking Ghelber: Exactly. And. Everybody functions on like a sensory spectrum of our preferences and what we like and don't like. I'm someone that doesn't like to be in loud environments because I start to feel myself getting overwhelmed and stressed, and so I have the knowledge of that about myself and the cognitive abilities to plan ahead.

    [00:05:43] Emma Wilking Ghelber: Oh, I'm gonna be exhausted after this birthday party that we're going to this weekend, so I'm gonna plan accordingly. Kids don't have that, and so then they're even worse that evening. They are bouncing off the walls.

    [00:05:57] Leah Clionsky: So Emma, what do OTs [00:06:00] do about this? So if we're dysregulated in our sensory system, I. You know, what can occupational therapy do for kids and families?

    [00:06:07] Emma Wilking Ghelber: So first step, figuring out which systems are processing information efficiently and giving the right information, and then also figuring out which ones need a little help. More times than not, there is not just one system out of whack because they all impact each other and figuring out what. Best supports that individual child in being regulated.

    [00:06:31] Emma Wilking Ghelber: So for some kids, it's helping them not have big responses to unexpected auditory input. So we actually work on decreasing their sensitivity to sound. And we do that in a variety of ways, both bottom up and top down. And when I say bottom up, we actually introduce music therapy programs that. Help that auditory system process music and sound more efficiently so [00:07:00] they don't have the big reactions.

    [00:07:02] Emma Wilking Ghelber: And then also use a lot of the strategies that I'm sure you employ Leah with kids and helping give top-down strategies where we talk about, oh, I did hear that loud bang. I wonder what it was. Should we go check it out? Or should we ask someone to check for us and help? Bringing kids a sense of security around that sensory experience that they can push through whatever was upsetting for them to help know that their body is safe.

    [00:07:34] Leah Clionsky: Do you find that sometimes kids look like they're misbehaving when it turns out they're actually like uncomfortable in a sensory way?

    [00:07:42] Emma Wilking Ghelber: I would honestly say that is a majority of the time what's happening. Kids aren't wired to be bad and misbehave. They are oftentimes having difficulty because I.

    [00:07:55] Emma Wilking Ghelber: Something has triggered their nervous system to [00:08:00] tell them, I'm not safe. So I have to react big and get major attention so that I can feel safe.

    [00:08:06] Leah Clionsky: So this is why I think what you guys do, what occupational therapists do, and what your clinic does, that's. So extremely helpful is that when we have kids who are clearly physically, centrally uncomfortable

    [00:08:19] Emma Wilking Ghelber: mm-hmm.

    [00:08:19] Emma Wilking Ghelber: They need

    [00:08:20] Leah Clionsky: to get that sensory need met in ot. Yes. And then when they're better regulated in their bodies, then it's easier for them to use the strategies that we work with them. Yes. In therapy. And it also helps their parents be less angry with them.

    [00:08:34] Emma Wilking Ghelber: Yes. To understand why this is happening. My kid was on the playground and swinging, and it turns out they have.

    [00:08:42] Emma Wilking Ghelber: Difficulty processing movement and now they don't know where their body is in space after swinging for such and such amount of time. And so we need to do a few activities to help them organize and know that they are okay. Mm.

    [00:08:58] Leah Clionsky: That makes so much sense. [00:09:00] Do you run into this with your three-year-old at home?

    [00:09:02] Leah Clionsky: Do you see these sensory things come up?

    [00:09:04] Emma Wilking Ghelber: I do. My three-year-old is a mover and a shaker. Dropped naps definitely by two and a half and just he needs to move and he comes by it. Honestly, I was in sports growing up. My husband has. A DHD and needs to be moving throughout his day and then as a couch potato at night, of course.

    [00:09:26] Emma Wilking Ghelber: But my 3-year-old needs to have a lot of activity. We have to get outside and go to the park. We have to play trains, not. At a table and within the confines of a train track, we are playing trains throughout our house and under the coffee table and behind the couch. It's a whole course. And if I weren't an OT and didn't know that he's not playing trains, how he should be playing trains, it would be frustrating.

    [00:09:57] Emma Wilking Ghelber: Because it is a little bit more work on my [00:10:00] part when we're playing, but I know that it is going to be helpful in terms of limiting the number of meltdowns we have as the day progresses.

    [00:10:10] Leah Clionsky: So it's like, it's a strategic idea of it's, I'm regulating your sensory system. And I'm organizing you. And it's not just energy out any which way.

    [00:10:20] Leah Clionsky: It's energy out in a strategic way so that he's regulated and then he's better able to follow directions, for example.

    [00:10:27] Emma Wilking Ghelber: Yes, exactly. And kids need movement that is essential to regulating and being in that just right arousal level for learning or listening to directions or participating in. Bedtime routine.

    [00:10:42] Emma Wilking Ghelber: They have a physiological need to get input to their muscle and joint systems, and that actually helps them regulate. They are getting input that causes their nervous system to calm down. It's why some of us as adults know, Hey, I have to [00:11:00] get. My exercise in, I have to get my yoga in. My body needs that to feel calm and good.

    [00:11:07] Leah Clionsky: So can you solve this mystery for me? So it is nighttime. You imagine your kids have had some movement. I. Why are they actually ramping things up? So when this happens, and you know, I'm trying to calm them down, now they're going to like have a wrestling match right now, they're gonna splash in the bath and it almost feels like they're trying to avoid bedtime by escalating.

    [00:11:33] Leah Clionsky: But I, I suspect that's not what is actually happening. So why aren't they doing it?

    [00:11:37] Emma Wilking Ghelber: They are actually unconsciously trying to help themselves calm down. Through activity and they don't have the cognitive abilities yet. The planning ahead, the executive function skills to know. Well, if I do it in a more organized way and calm way, it's going to be more effective.

    [00:11:59] Emma Wilking Ghelber: Their bodies [00:12:00] just go, BA, I'm tired, so I'm gonna fight that feeling and just go, go, go.

    [00:12:07] Leah Clionsky: So they actually have the same goal as I do. Like they're trying to regulate down. They do. It looks like. Is that They're fighting me

    [00:12:13] Emma Wilking Ghelber: Exactly.

    [00:12:14] Leah Clionsky: Okay.

    [00:12:15] Emma Wilking Ghelber: And so we have to fight smarter, not harder.

    [00:12:17] Leah Clionsky: That makes me less angry immediately.

    [00:12:19] Leah Clionsky: Yeah. If I think about them as trying to do the same thing that I want, but just not doing it in a way that I recognize is helpful, immediately my frustration goes down. And I know that always helps me parent better if I'm not frustrated.

    [00:12:33] Emma Wilking Ghelber: Yes, absolutely. So. Kids jumping on the couch early in the evening.

    [00:12:38] Emma Wilking Ghelber: It's my telltale sign for my son that, okay, we gotta start thinking about bedtime. He's jumping like a maniac on the couch. I don't say stop jumping on the couch. What I do is, oh, can you show me how you do a summeral? On the couch because doing a somersault on the couch versus jumping on the couch, I'm just gonna kind of break [00:13:00] down why it is helpful for helping him calm down.

    [00:13:03] Emma Wilking Ghelber: Doing a somersault. He has to activate his core in a controlled way to crunch down, tuck his head, and then he's also getting vestibular input, so that's, our head is moving in different directions and impacted by gravity, and it's giving him a calming. Impact while he's moving. But it's an organized movement.

    [00:13:26] Emma Wilking Ghelber: It's not just chaotic jumping and getting input only through his feet. So then he's also getting input to the entire backside of his body as he goes through the somersault. And that deep pressure that he gets then from the couch, lowers our respiration rate, lowers our heart rate. And so then even just after one somersault, he is more able to engage with me.

    [00:13:52] Emma Wilking Ghelber: About what we're going to do next. Whether my goal is immediately to go upstairs, or, hey, I think we need to do a few more somersaults [00:14:00] before he's gonna be organized enough. Regulated enough to follow that direction.

    [00:14:05] Leah Clionsky: This makes so much sense. Yeah. So what, what I'm hearing you say is it's not. The movement, it's about like a certain kind of movement.

    [00:14:13] Leah Clionsky: The quality. It's a quality. It's a quality over quantity. Your kids don't know what quality movement would help. So imagine this is me. 'cause this is me. Yeah, this will be me tonight. Okay.

    [00:14:23] Emma Wilking Ghelber: Okay. Tell me what happens.

    [00:14:24] Leah Clionsky: Nighttime, they have the zoomies. It feels like I've given them a. Espresso with dinner. If you had to give me three strategies where I can regulate them down knowing this biological need that they have, what should I be doing?

    [00:14:38] Emma Wilking Ghelber: Okay. First idea. You mentioned earlier your kids like to wrestle, right?

    [00:14:42] Leah Clionsky: Right.

    [00:14:43] Emma Wilking Ghelber: So can they, well, can they lift off the couch cushions from the couch and line 'em up on the floor?

    [00:14:51] Leah Clionsky: Oh, that would be interesting. So I want to have them moving things around like, so would this work with pillows?

    [00:14:57] Emma Wilking Ghelber: It would work with pillows too.

    [00:14:58] Emma Wilking Ghelber: Let's make a line [00:15:00] of pillows and roll across them.

    [00:15:02] Leah Clionsky: Okay. So I want them to line things up and I want them, what is the rolling doing that's helping?

    [00:15:07] Emma Wilking Ghelber: So the rolling kind of like, so I'm thinking pencil log rolling is similar to doing a forward roll like my son likes to do on the couch. It's giving their body input on all sides.

    [00:15:20] Emma Wilking Ghelber: They're getting rotation to their head and they have to activate their core to continue to roll across the pillows. So all of that input combined is calming their nervous system and is much more effective than while flinging limbs at one another for wrestling.

    [00:15:40] Leah Clionsky: So log rolling. Just so I'm, I'm make sure I remember which one that is.

    [00:15:44] Leah Clionsky: That's when your kids lie, like straight up and down on the floor? Yes. And they roll their entire body, like left and right across the floor. Like literally like a log that you can imagine? Yes. Or like a pencil sort of rolling.

    [00:15:55] Emma Wilking Ghelber: Exactly.

    [00:15:56] Leah Clionsky: Okay.

    [00:15:57] Emma Wilking Ghelber: And using the pillows, well, if you have a hard floor [00:16:00] one, it's more comfortable and they're gonna be more likely to do it.

    [00:16:02] Emma Wilking Ghelber: And two, that gives them what we call an OT heavy work to move the pillows to the floor. And then, okay, let's see how fast we can put the couch back together. Yes, we're telling them to quote unquote, go fast right before bedtime, which seems counterintuitive, but they have these big, heavy pillows that they're carrying, and it's purposeful and it's intentional, which is different from running around with the zoomies.

    [00:16:26] Leah Clionsky: Okay, so I'm going to have them move some things that are soft, but maybe heavy. I'm going to have them. Mm-hmm. Roll like a log across the floor. What else can I do to help calm their sensory system down?

    [00:16:39] Emma Wilking Ghelber: Another great one and has worked really well with my son so, so much to the fact that we have to do it as part of like before bedtime is doing animal walks.

    [00:16:50] Emma Wilking Ghelber: So when I talk about animal walks, I'm talking about frog jumps and bear crawls, crab walks, bunny hops, these things that [00:17:00] kids do for fun. They also like the rolling and the somersaults give more organized and regulating input to that body. If you notice, I say that a lot. But when we are concentrating on how we are moving our body, we are getting increased muscle activation and that has a downregulating effect on our nervous system.

    [00:17:23] Emma Wilking Ghelber: So let's do after we. Put our dishes by the sink. Let's crawl like a bear to the couch. Ooh, can you do it in slow motion? Can you do it fast? Can you do it and pretend to be a bear robot? So all of these like little changes to it requires just a little bit more concentration on the quality of that movement that we're talking about.

    [00:17:51] Leah Clionsky: I almost feel like you're a Mary Poppins.

    [00:17:52] Emma Wilking Ghelber: I just don't have a bag of tricks. Well, I do have a, you do an imaginary bag of tricks, but Yeah. I use myself as the bag of [00:18:00] tricks.

    [00:18:00] Leah Clionsky: But like you're getting them to do these activities that are good for their sensory system, that are also

    [00:18:05] Emma Wilking Ghelber: fun and they think they're playing.

    [00:18:07] Leah Clionsky: Yeah. They feel like they're playing, they're actually calming their bodies down. Mm-hmm. In an organized way. And they're wanting to move that way.

    [00:18:15] Emma Wilking Ghelber: And on top of that, they're getting the benefits of the relational interaction with mom and dad 'cause they're doing it with me. And I know for myself, especially after playing in a gym with kids all day, I always say playing instead of working.

    [00:18:30] Emma Wilking Ghelber: 'cause that's what we're doing. I'm tired, but I know if I give this 10 minute chunk of engaging physically with my child. It is going to make the rest of the evening go so much more smoothly.

    [00:18:44] Leah Clionsky: Yeah. It's funny how those little tiny pieces of time can make so much difference. Mm-hmm. So I'm getting, I'm getting them to lift pillows, I'm getting them to log roll, and I'm getting them to be animals in transition.

    [00:18:56] Emma Wilking Ghelber: Animals and transitions, and it really doesn't matter if they're not [00:19:00] doing the animal walk quote unquote correctly. It goes, kind of go back to my, my train example with my son. We as parents want them to do things as we. See they should be done or how we did them or how we would do them. How they do them might be just fine for their body.

    [00:19:18] Emma Wilking Ghelber: Their crab walk might be forward and backward or sideways, or they might be a snake that's slithering on their side versus on their belly like you anticipated. If we're constantly then in those moments also correcting them. It becomes less fun.

    [00:19:36] Leah Clionsky: Well, this is also good, Emma, because as a non ot, I don't know what a crabwalk is actually supposed to look like in its perfect form.

    [00:19:42] Leah Clionsky: So

    [00:19:43] Emma Wilking Ghelber: it doesn't matter.

    [00:19:44] Leah Clionsky: It doesn't matter. That makes my life a lot easier. Yeah,

    [00:19:47] Emma Wilking Ghelber: if this were a video cast rather than a podcast, I'd show you right now, but I won't.

    [00:19:53] Leah Clionsky: That would be amazing. Alright. I love these strategies. So we're going to do lifting cushions on the [00:20:00] couch or mm-hmm. Pillows. Mm-hmm. Or. I guess in my case I have some gigantic stuffed animals that some in-laws Yes.

    [00:20:06] Leah Clionsky: Sent to me. Ooh. And yeah, that take up some space. So we can move those around. We can log roll across the floor. Mm-hmm. And we can be animals. Yeah. This is amazing. This sounds like perfect. Three things that we can do. And

    [00:20:18] Emma Wilking Ghelber: this is like what you do in that between dinner and bedtime.

    [00:20:23] Leah Clionsky: Well, Emma, I appreciate this so much.

    [00:20:26] Leah Clionsky: I think these strategies are going to be so useful to all of the parents I talk to all of the time, and I'm going to use them tonight and see what happens. Yes, please let me know. Yeah, I will tell you because Emma, I can text her. Yes, you can. So I can update her. But if you want to see Emma or her amazing clinicians at Foundations, what is the best way for our listeners to be in contact with you?

    [00:20:52] Emma Wilking Ghelber: Best way is to give our office a call.

    [00:20:54] Leah Clionsky: Yeah. The number and the website are going to be in the show notes. So they call, they schedule an appointment [00:21:00] and then they get in and then they understand what's going on with their child, what are their specific sensory needs? Yes. And they get a game plan for how to help.

    [00:21:07] Emma Wilking Ghelber: Exactly. And if you're not sure if OT is gonna be the right fit for you, we do free consultations where. Talk on the phone for 30 minutes or meet with you in person so that we can make sure that we're the right fit for you.

    [00:21:19] Leah Clionsky: That's amazing. I love collaborating. Often an OT and psychology will collaborate together and then we can really help kids.

    [00:21:26] Leah Clionsky: We do. And I absolutely love doing that.

    [00:21:28] Emma Wilking Ghelber: I love doing that with you too, Leah.

    [00:21:29] Leah Clionsky: Oh, well Emma, thank you so much for being on the podcast. This has been delightful and I guarantee you parents are gonna be so relieved when they hear this episode. So thank you so much. Absolutely.

    [00:21:40] Emma Wilking Ghelber: It's

    [00:21:41] Leah Clionsky: my pleasure. Thanks again for spending time with me on Educated Parent, if this episode helped you feel more confident in handling those parenting curve balls.

    [00:21:52] Leah Clionsky: Hit follow. So you never miss an episode. Know a parent who's stuck in the endless cycle of conflicting advice. Send [00:22:00] this their way because we all deserve parenting strategies we can actually trust. And hey, if you have a minute, leave a review. Your support helps other parents find real expert back solutions instead of just another opinion online.

    [00:22:14] Leah Clionsky: One last quick reminder. This podcast offers general advice, but every family is different. The advice offered in this podcast is not medical advice and is not appropriate for every family. If you need personalized parenting support, connect with an experienced clinician at Thriving Child Center or PCIT experts.

    [00:22:35] Leah Clionsky: That's it for today. Thanks for listening, and I'll talk to you next time.

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